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AfterMatura
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 18:46
Hello, I dunno why every answers key says that only have been using is correct (in gap test). I have solved a lot of polish and english preparation books and almost in every book both answers were correct. Present Perfect and Present Perfect Continuous as well.
My justification for Present Perfect is:
They were using the service for 3 years. So taking into consderation the fact that school age is generally 3/4 times longer than 3 years, Present Perfect is pretty correct.
What is more, there is no need to emphase that 3 years is really long. The main aim is to check if studen is knows a use of perfect.
In my opinion, both P.S and P. Progresive are correct.
Plz comment
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nata
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 19:55
Why in 9.6 you have wrote A not B and is it possible to write in 13.7 'with'
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pako
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 20:11
Why in 9.6 you have wrote A not B
He says that "it is despicable (=extremely bad, immoral) to criminalize and imprison thousands for marijuana possession (...)". He doesn't actually say anything about fighting with the liquor and tobacco lobbies (although he says that they're destroying many lives).
is it possible to write in 13.7 'with'
Nope. As I said, 'each' is the only possible word in 13.7.
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Basia
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 20:32
I guess that in 13.3 "as" is also a correct answer. It fits the sentence and it makes sense, doesn't it..? And if not- why?
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Guest
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 20:40
what about 'because' in 13.3 ??
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WRX
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 20:46
Present Perfect Continous is an equivalent of Past Perfect Continous, that's why both IMHO are ok.
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tp
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 21:12
Firstly- 11.4 is D, since ya aint gonna use reported speech in a DESCRIPTION as well as fail to get yourself good chronological order of the text. Moreover, the title suggests its a text 'bout mobile phones. Last but not least, look at the source of the text- its Guardian.
Oh, and by the way- present perfect is kinda correct in 13.6 since when you are using the continous form, you would suggest that they are STILL doing it and the text says otherwise.
Cheers.
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laika
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 21:26
well, it's hard to compare cause matura differ from FCE and CAE. but i guess that podstawowa is somewhere between PET and FCE, and rozszerzona is between FCE and CAE. with your results, you should write CAE (if u need:) ). don't even think of fce!
I passed both, CAE and FCE, both with an A. To my mind, some parts of rozszerzona were much harder than CAE. and BTW if the your answers for the text adapted from something are correct and logical, CKE won't accept it because they gonna accept only the answers that appear in the text, they CANNOT THINK and they themselves won't even consider other answers to be correct. Somebody must put an end to this matura and to the stupidiy of all those ppl from CKE
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krzys
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 21:32
what about "While" in 13.3?
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vicar
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 21:42
Hi,
Thx 4 the answers. I am really happy, since there's just 1 wrong answer in my test. (I hope CKE's anwers are the same - you never know...) Please tell me what you think about my mistake - can't the answer be somehow accepted? :) I put 'since' in 13.3. I meant: since=because.
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Basia
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 21:46
I have an A in CPE and not all of my answers in rozszerzona are correct...:( I've got "as" in 13.3 and had been using in 13.6. I agree with laika- the only answers accepted by cke will be those from the text. i'm sure..
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Ghsot
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 21:49
Firstly- 11.4 is D, since ya aint gonna use reported speech in a DESCRIPTION as well as fail to get yourself good chronological order of the text. Moreover, the title suggests its a text 'bout mobile phones. Last but not least, look at the source of the text- its Guardian.
okey, but have you read the whole text? when you look at all it's surely 'B', but I don't know the conception of CKE, if they based on the whole article
http://travel.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,7445,1057746,00.html?77%3A+T ravel+news
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Guest
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 21:54
I think it's D, because they gave a fragment of this article...
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tp
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 22:09
okey, but have you read the whole text? when you look at all it's surely 'B', but I don't know the conception of CKE, if they based on the whole article
Well but on the matura we had no idea about this text so i guess its supposed to be D :)
I have a B-grade Proficiency but i lost 3 points down here.. really bad :/
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laika
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 22:11
Ppl, there're only a few sentences about mobile phone and a whole sescription of the accident! besides, if it was about usfulness of mobile phones, they'd put something about it somehwere, like : it's good to have a mobile or whatever
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Guest
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 22:32
In the first sentence of the exercise 11 there is said "read the given article" - i think it means it IS an article. And althought there is a description of an expedition, the point of the text is that they were saved because of the mobile phones.
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pako
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 23:20
Guest,
95% of the article is a description of a climbing adventure. They mention that the climbers were saved by a mobile phone, but this is only a few sentences. And if it was an article about the usefulness of mobiles, they certainly wouldn't describe the weather conditions in the Swiss Alps!
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Lukasz
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 23:46
isn't it possible to have "the; in 13.9?? As far as I know many people have this answer.
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esp
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 23:53
How about "in" instead of "on" in the sentence regarding "not being late to work"? ,-)
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ATN
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# Posted: 7 May 2005 23:55
100% and 97% - sounds great :)
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Clean
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 01:44
Heh...
I must say that one listening question on matura was quite tricky. I mean that I'm still not fully convinced if this answer is correct - i mean the last in the second listening task on the extended level. I keep on reading this listening transcription and I'm still wondering how I could have missed the word 'hardly'. This simple word is, i think, crucial here. Why? Because the last sentence tells us nothing about which statement (i mean the answer) is stronger - A or B? Well, I made a mistake...
And the next thing - can somebody explain me how the word 'they' found itself in 12.6??? I know that 'understand' excludes 'he', but didn't you find it quite illogical - the first thing which came into my mind was 'he'. Maybe this 'they' means the eyes... What do you think?
And the last... it is funny how sometimes we forget a quite simple word... and we just can't find it. It happened to me 13.9. I'm still laughing at it. I put 'the' in this gap, because I found it the most suitable from the words that had came into my head. I wonder if it is correct - 'each' is definately more correct, but... maybe there is a slight chance...
The rest I have made is correct... Now there are only 4 more exams before me :). For example German :/ .
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zzz
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 01:47
pako:
95% of the article is a description of a climbing adventure. They mention that the climbers were saved by a mobile phone, but this is only a few sentences. And if it was an article about the usefulness of mobiles, they certainly wouldn't describe the weather conditions in the Swiss Alps!
Precisely. And the whole passage about rubbing their legs. Yeah, of course. That clearly indicates the usefulness of mobile phones. =)
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zzz
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 01:49
But apart from everything who the hell reads Guardian? It's crap.
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xxx
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 08:09
maybe it is, but Cke gave it on the matura exam and nobody knows what they wanted to achieve, they should acknowledge two answers, 'b' and 'd'!
But they won't ;]
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pako
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 09:24
Can somebody explain me how the word 'they' found itself in 12.6??? I know that 'understand' excludes 'he', but didn't you find it quite illogical - the first thing which came into my mind was 'he'.
Here's the usage note for the word 'he' from the Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English:
"Some people, especially women, don't like the use of he to include both men and women in a sentence like: Everyone should do what he thinks best.
Instead they use he or she, she or he, or they: Everyone should do what they think best. (...)"
In a similar way, it should be: You just need to look into someone's eyes and you know they understand the seriousness of the situation as well as you do.
I know it sounds strange to replace 'he' with 'they' in such sentences, but that's the way they say them.
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tp
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 10:28
Im still concerned by the 11.4 question.. If this was a description, they wouldnt bring up REPORTED SPEECH, right? And when you look at the title- ' (...) rescued by a text message.' - that might be a tip. I guess the examiners tried to make a tricky question but since they aint skilled enought, they failed to.
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tp
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 10:33
S*** what am I saying- they WOULD get you reported speech, but no direct fragments of what they said.
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zzz
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 11:10
tp:
Im still concerned by the 11.4 question.. If this was a description, they wouldnt bring up REPORTED SPEECH, right?
Not really. If you read British newspapers you would notice that such a style in writing articles (descriptions) is really common.
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tp
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 11:12
Gimme an example of a DESCRIPTION in that style then (from some kinda newspaper).
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tp
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# Posted: 8 May 2005 11:20
Reported speech- alright. But what about direct speech? In a description? Cant be. And what is more- if you wanted to stress the usefulness of mobiles, but using only the example of that journey, how would ya do it? I guess that 5% of the text would be enough. What more could the author say about the goddamn mobile? That it had a astounding digital camera and lcd? No way. I guess that if they wanted to bring up the mobile, there is no other way to do it. The topic and some mentioning is certainly enough. And since both answers seem correct, they should either accept both or bring up the difference between description and an article which is no direct speech in description! And remember that its the most common feature of every article since it makes it more credible.
Cheers.
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